MyDD :: PLEASE DON'T LEAVE

PLEASE DON'T LEAVE

by Politicalslave, Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 12:59:45 AM EST

Before you leave MyDD please consider it is the job of every good and bad troll to Kill Joy. Kill the enthusiasm. After all that's what separates Senator Obama from so many other politicians. This guy is different, This guy is going to prove what "Soft Power" can really do. This guy needs writers just like the ones who are thinking of leaving. This is the guy who I happen to think will bring about Universal health care and make the world more peaceful by demonstrating real leadership. I think MYDD is great in comparison to other sites. We are guests and there are rules which many of us have broken in minor ways (me)and some in a major way.(YOU) In my opinion the moderators have to protect the site and make sure groups and writers like myself don't take over. We have two groups at least that come on to this site and if they wanted they could recommend their buddies they could change or manipulate the atmosphere of mydd but of course they would never do this but that's why we need moderators who have more perspective and information about their site and the people. Personally I didn't like the Bill Clinton I'm a racist diary from the member of Clintonistas for Obama or C40s How does this help Clinton or Obama.? McCain would have loved it because McCain used the race card this week too. Would have I deleted this diary? No but I don't have all the information and I don't know the track record of this writer. We have many people who say they are for Obama but do everthing they can to hurt the reputation of our candidate.
So for thoses of you who are considering leaving. DON'T! If it helps write diaries don't comment. Take a break but we can't afford to lose our voice. If you leave then it's up to people like me. (Were Doomed)

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This place is officially on life support. (2.00 / 9)

MyDD is infested with a few trolls, each having about 20 sockpuppet accounts. They can get anything they want on the rec list at anytime just by rec'ing up with sockpuppets.

This place is on life support by only a handful of people that care. Those people, myself included, are slowly but surely giving up.

Rankles above (now hidden) is one of the many trolls that helped kill MyDD. I don't understand why he/she is still here after weeks of complaints to the mods by many dedicated MyDD'ers, and many diaries written complaining about the abuses.

Are you guys awake? Do you not see that MyDD is dying? Do you just not care? If that's the case, at least let us know. I'm getting close to leaving myself, unless I'm banned for writing this. That's another thing. There's a feeling here of retribution against users. Many just get banned for petty reasons.

Anyway, just letting you know MyDD is almost dead.

Beep.....Beep.....Beep.....Beep......... ....Beep..................Beep.......... ........................................ ..?

by HardWorkingWhitePerson on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:15:11 AM EST

Re: This place is officially on life support. (2.00 / 2)

Rankle's diary was just deleted as well. So I think the moderators are doing something about him and others. Hang on it's going to get exciting

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:21:06 AM EST
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Months late. (2.00 / 4)

Rankles, Engels, and the like all should've been banned months ago. Again, things'd be quite different here were Jerome as tough on post-primary trolls as he was against what he considered primary season's overzealous Obama supporters.

John McCain: He flunked ECON 101.

by Shem on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:32:31 AM EST
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Re: This place is officially on life support. (2.00 / 4)

Screw deleted. They can post tomorrow. And will. They need to be GONE. WTF is the point of TRs and HRs if the mods don't actually care enough to DO anything about them?!

If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.

by vcalzone on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:41:13 AM EST
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Re: This place is officially on life support. (2.00 / 3)

And if somebody new gets about 3 HRs, they need to be checked out as well.

If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.

by vcalzone on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 02:42:05 AM EST
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Re: This place is officially on life support. (2.00 / 1)

I agree I think a few are more than obvious. As I mentioned earlier Rankle's diary was deleted within minutes. Thank you Jerome or Todd or whoever it was.

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:25:40 AM EST
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The reason (2.00 / 3)

Kill the trolls, kill lots of ad revenue. People may hate them, but they still click.

Stop commenting on, or viewing, troll diaries. Stop responding to troll comments.

[ Donate to Barack Obama ]

by semiquaver on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:00:07 AM EST
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Ad revenue was never the issue. (2.00 / 1)

I'm cynical, too, but I don't think that's the problem here. I don't think we know what it is at all, yet, but I am pretty sure it is Jerome's problem. He's da man in charge, and if he has been reluctant to take command, he must be going through some issues. Eventually he will work them out or the blog will just go by the wayside and die. Almost all the serious diarists have left. Now it's just trolls and people who love to watch trainwrecks.

by Dumbo on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:28:52 AM EST
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Speak for yourself! n/t (2.00 / 2)

by bobswern on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:43:24 AM EST
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Bob, I guess it depends on how you (none / 0)

define troll, as well. For instance, everybody involved writing and recommending that Bill is a Racist diary that ate all the bandwidth today, by my estimation, would be a troll, but, hey, it's not my blog, so I can't say what the site owner's ultimate intentions are. They seem ill-defined, at the moment. MyDD is just caught in the middle of whatever bullshit the C4O crowd was up to, today.

by Dumbo on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:49:04 AM EST
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PoliticalSlave... (2.00 / 2)

I'm starting to think it's already over, here. The Obama supporters have gone to DailyKos. The Obama haters have gone to (ha) Clintonistas For Obama, and now this is just a trolling site for people from NoQuarter and C4O.

The thing about C4O is perhaps the most amazing part of it. You would think that after having made the commitment to name their blog Clintonistas FOR OBAMA that they would chill out at least a little bit. But, no, it seems to have become a jumping off point for their cross-posted diaries that aren't really for Obama so much as continuing tirades about Bill and Hillary's martyrdom at Obama's expense.

The latest one that ate up all the bandwidth, today, "Bill is a racist" or whatever, was just the latest example of that. It started there, came here, got recs from all the regular contributors listed at C4O, and when it was deleted by the mods, the same small group started a new diary just to complain about the first diary being deleted.

by Dumbo on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:45:03 AM EST

Re: PoliticalSlave... (2.00 / 1)

You know, I would defend them, and they should be defended, but...

I just don't care anymore. I'll defend them on Kos. Here, I'll post pictures of horses sucking each other off. If you can't beat the trolls, join them.

We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.

by Jess81 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 03:54:19 AM EST
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It wasn't deleted. (1.88 / 9)

And I think zcflint's comment and diary history speaks for itself. Our apologies if we write a couple of diaries you aren't ecstatic about.

You know, I notice that you haven't written anything since May. That's interesting. The C4Os express their displeasure when we think it's warranted, but we seem to write a lot of pro-Obama diaries as well. You, on the other hand, don't. Why is it that the "trolls" are willing to do so much more to advocate for our nominee than you are? That strikes me as odd. Maybe you're full of shit, huh?

And don't tell me you've been busy. You obviously aren't too busy to sit around making baseless accusations all evening.

Check my diary history since April and then tell me I'm a troll. In all that time, I've written one diary criticizing something Obama did (something which thousands upon thousands of long-time Obama supporters were angry about as well), while also pointing out why it's important that we support him regardless because he's right on most of the issues.

Maybe instead of attacking people who want to see the Democratic nominee win in November, you should consider contributing something halfway useful to the site. Thanks in advance.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 07:14:45 AM EST
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I have deliberately refrained (2.00 / 3)

from writing new diaries. In fact, I've tried to restrain myself in my comments, as well, in terms of what issues I bring up. (And I'm not always successful.)

Why? Because when I come to this particular blog forum I get very pissed off. The nomination battle is over. Most of the diaries attacking Obama or his supporters on this forum end up being tied back to issues arising from the nomination battle. I feel that I would only be feeding the trolls myself if I responded in kind.

I thought I explained it well in a post to Louisprandt in a meandering subthread a few nights ago.

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/7/30/0 925/60096/78#78

Well, I took your "progressive hero" (2.00 / 1)

jibe in a light-hearted way, as a jibe, as well. I have been terribly tempted to write a long diary defending Olbermann, as well as some other official villains of the post-Hillary crowd, but I resist it because I'm actually interested in keeping that crap off the rec list. (Not that I know it would get there.) I'm addicted, as well, and I know it. I'd like to refight some of the old battles, and at times I can't resist getting into it a little. But believe me, I've restrained myself. I, too, am still angry as hell over some issues of the campaign season past, although my long list of issues is different than yours. I don't name them because I don't need to. The primary season is over.

So forgive me if I haven't written any new diaries supportive of Obama since the nomination battle ended. I thought they might make matters worse. I read more attacks against Obama here than I do on any other forum I frequent, and most of those attacks rotate back to issues surrounding Hillary's campaign. Just as ZCFlint's diary did, yesterday. How can I address any of these things in a diary without provoking more responses of the same kind? Can't be done.

I ask myself why I should bother coming back here. (Other than the fact I've been here (based on my UID number) longer than almost all of you). At this point, I suppose it's because I don't want to give certain people the satisfaction. And I'm curious how far this will fester before something explodes.

Sricki, I have read your diaries and I know that you are sincere and you want Obama to win and you love Hillary and you are sad she lost and you wish she had won. That's all fine and lovely. But you and some other people are recommending some total CRAP by friends that you have associated with, people that you probably hold in high regard for their support of Hillary during the first half of this year.

All I can say is, I'm very disappointed by that, and if you could back off and actually read and digest the shit that people have been writing, and realize how it's not an issue of freedom of speech.

How would they like it on C4O if I (or a remarkably similar troll) showed up and started posting diary after diary that included elliptical assaults on Hillary? You might consider it a provocation, that I was trying to yank your chain, that I came looking for people that adored Hillary so I could twist the knife. You might not think very well of me in that light. And what if there were a group of people recommending those diaries that opposed Hillary during the primaries and had expressed similar sentiments during the first half of the year? You might think to yourself, wow, those people just can't let go! They won't move on.

So this is the condition that MyDD is in today. I can go to C4O and see diaries like ZCFlint's featured with only three comments, where here it received more than 150 before being unrecced and retitled by Todd.

You guys (and I'm being unfair to group you, but this is a group responsibility shame thing I'm going to throw at you here), if you really want Obama to win (and I doubt it for many of your regular posters) need to quit baiting the forum.

Honestly, I don't expect you to stop recommending anything, nor do I expect the others to stop writing shit. It's going to go on until somebody steps in and says, that's enough, REALLY enough this time. Aw heck, Jerome might step in and tell the rest of us to go to hell and turn MyDD into a Bash-Obama-24-7 site with the thin veneer of Obama support that C4O carries. I don't know. But I think something is going to have to give.

Personally, I see this as all a sign of immaturity on the parts of some, pathology on the parts of others, all very interesting in a social emergent phenomena way, but none of it constructive.

Before you get mad at anything I have said here, try to notice this: I'm restraining myself even now from saying everything I might over a beer. There are some specific names and specific issues that I could detail that would bury my point and immerse us in a whole host of old shit. Don't let the fact that I don't name them fool you into thinking that the few things mentioned here are the only problems. I've tried to be general.

by Dumbo on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 07:50:38 AM EST
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Re: I have deliberately refrained (2.00 / 4)

Dumbo, you're a credit to this site. You're passionate and restrained in that last post, and though I don't agree with you entirely (who agrees with anyone entirely?) I for one - who as BRIT before I was banned had an early UID too - would be devastated if you thought of leaving. It would be the end.

These things are worth reasonable discussion though, and I really think the majority of C40's are constructive. Sricki, Atleft, CG, hell even Psychodrew and Zcflint, have had to swallow a lot of passion and pride to come round to Obama. Sometimes, when provoked, that struggle is too hard. Other times, like the carefully targeted campaign by McCain to raise the 'race baiting' issue, they break

We all break. We all lose our tempers.

But because we are Obama supporters, we do not know of the shit they went through from the PUMA crowd. They are accused of being traitors by them. To come here and also be accused of being traitors too must be very hard.

We should argue, and point out where diaries like Bill is a Racist may not help the GE campaign, but we should also be aware of what they've been through.

You're an incredibly reasonable poster here, and my passions sometimes chime with yours. But politics is about overcoming particular passions for a general common interest

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:07:26 AM EST
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Your disappointment is none of my concern. (1.75 / 4)

So you know my diary history, but you haven't bothered to check zc's. He's been supportive of Obama since well before Hillary conceded.

I rec'd his diary because it defended Bill, and because this issue has infuriated me more than anything else this primary season.

You guys (and I'm being unfair to group you, but this is a group responsibility shame thing I'm going to throw at you here), if you really want Obama to win (and I doubt it for many of your regular posters) need to quit baiting the forum.

You're right, it's unfair. How many times do we have to tell you people that we don't always agree with each other, that we each have our own opinions on all of these issues. We disagree quite frequently. To my knowledge, none of us agreed with linfar's assertion that Obama leaked his prayer. And we all openly said that we disagreed. You guys need to stop lumping us together as if we're a single entity. It's an unfortunate habit many of you seem to have acquired, and it reveals a disturbing lack of comprehension (or interest in understanding).

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:17:47 AM EST
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I have read ZC's diaries for months. (2.00 / 3)

And yours. And I've been around longer than you. Perhaps you just didn't notice, before. I'm not one of the cool kids.

ZC has written some nice diaries. I'm not sure how many of his I have recommended. And posts of his. That was never the point. The point isn't how good he is deep down or how much he supports Obama. The point is that some people aren't controlling their ire over the campaign season (WHICH IS NOW OVER). And some people are not controlling their itchy finger on the recommend button when it comes to divisive diaries. And I suspect some of those people of doing that intentionally. Even if you're just doing it out of solidarity, you ought to know better.

I realize you're still angry about Bill and the racism thing. What you may not realize is how angry some of us still are about it. If you haven't seen a five thousand word diary from me about Bill and Mark Penn and Ickes and the failed strategy of the past campaign and the enormous damage they did to themselves and all of us in the process, it's only because I know it's not needed right now, and because it would probably make you blow your last gasket. I couldn't begrudge you the sense of rightness you get from the echo chamber that helps to reinforce your ideas about what happened in the last campaign and who was the bad guy and who wasn't. But we don't all agree with it, and some of us have heart-felt opinions that would make you madder than your opinions make us.

YOu have the right to express yourself anyway you want and defend Bill and Hillary, and I have the same right to say what I think of what they did to race issues within the Democratic Party, and we both could paste old and new news articles at each other. But it would serve no useful purpose. So you're swinging away at people (at least in my own case) who deliberately aren't fighting back with everything we've got, as galling as it may be.

You're so sure about who was right and wrong in the primary season that you don't stop to think that others might be just as incensed against Hillary and her supporters as you are against them.

by Dumbo on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:51:41 AM EST
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I have never said Barack was the bad guy. (1.75 / 4)

And I have defended Obama supporters repeatedly on this site -- especially when Jerome was punishing them unfairly. You aren't the bad guys either. But you err in assuming zc's diary served no purpose. If you read down the thread, you might have seen that a few Obama supporters and Clinton supporters reconciled some of their differences and expressed mutual understanding.

I have no particular "sense of rightness" -- I'll be the first to admit how often I make mistakes, how often I'm wrong. I'll be the first to apologize for it, too.

I'm well aware of how angry a lot of Obama supporters are. Most of my friends on this site were Obama supporters, even during the primaries, though many have abandoned MyDD now. Don't get all high and mighty about comments and diaries which serve no useful purpose. How useful was this? We all say unproductive things. Don't assume you're better than zc or the rest of the C4Os simply because you're making an effort to hide your anger now. Most of us are. Look at atd -- when's the last time he attacked Obama?

Your attacks on us are just as unproductive as you think zc's diary was. I had come to think you were a very decent, fair person, despite a couple of offensive comments here and there -- after all, I've made them too -- but now I'm unsure. What do you think your comment accomplished? You're angering people who are dedicated to electing the nominee, and you're needlessly sowing division.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:10:57 AM EST
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Correction: (1.66 / 3)

I have never since mid-March said Barack was the bad guy. I admit I said it quite a few times before that.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:15:34 AM EST
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Re: I have deliberately refrained (none / 0)

I know one thing for sure Dumbo and Sricki are great. I think you two have more in common than most.

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:32:28 AM EST
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Re: It wasn't deleted. (2.00 / 1)

I have read some of ZCflints diaries and I find it hard to believe this person supports Obama at all. Which is fine If someone says I hate Obama.
That's fine what bothers me are people who say they support Obama but really don't. Let's debate the issues and our Candidate.

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:41:31 AM EST
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Come on, try to be fair, PS. (1.75 / 4)

Read some of zc's other diaries, just before the Bill Clinton one:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/30/2325 9/1737

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/16/1652 35/224

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/13/1831 57/566

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/6/27/1832 22/315

Go back further than those and you'll see more diaries supportive of Obama -- and even one defending Michelle before the primaries ended. I understand why you're angered by his last diary, but the accusations that he doesn't support Obama are unfair. His diary history says otherwise.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:51:28 AM EST
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Re: Come on, try to be fair, PS. (2.00 / 2)

I just looked quickly at all four and they are amazing. The first one broke my heart. The ones I looked at were different from these. So let's see what the future brings. I would love to be wrong.

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:48:56 AM EST
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Re: Come on, try to be fair, PS. (1.50 / 2)

Sometimes it's a joy and a pleasure to discover we're wrong. I was wrong about Barack for a long time, and the happiness I felt when I realized my mistake was wonderful. Zc may not always be happy with Barack, just as I'm not (nor was I always happy with Hillary), but he's all for him.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:55:26 AM EST
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Re: It wasn't deleted. (1.00 / 2)

You hit the nail on the head. They pretend to support Obama because it gives them cover to bash him as much as they dare.

These people have no idea what loyalty is.

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:56:09 AM EST
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Re: It wasn't deleted. (2.00 / 1)

That's exactly how I feel too. I'm tired of these people who say they support Obama, but then write nothing but concern/sky is falling diaries. You dishonestly lead us to believe that you've come around to supporting Obama and then the next minute you start bashing him. I'd have a hell of alot more respect if you just stated you don't like him and don't support him. Some of you went to (lin)far and now I don't trust those who associate with her. You know birds of a feather.

"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Hillary's husband

by venician on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:38:47 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (2.00 / 7)

I agree with you on several things but Clintonistas For Obama was one of those sites that gave MYDD hope after June.

There have been a couple of old flame war flare ups in the last week, but that's not the problem. The problem is

1. Obvious trolls insulting, causing havoc, working to a republican agenda (and I know they're there)

2. Arbitrary bannings of genuine members. GrassRoots Organiser got banned for writing a meta diary. It happened to me in May.

Doesn't Jerome get it - we write these diaries about the site because we care. We're trying to preserve it as a progressive blog where dems across the board can come and debate, disagree, get informed.

Instead we are more likely to get insulted, trolled by republicans, and then banned if we point this out.

I don't know why we bother - but bother we do because, actually, there are still some great writers on this site.

C40 is part of the solution, not the problem

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 07:25:27 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (none / 0)

I actually don't know what C40 means. Please explain if you know. Thanks

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:50:14 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (2.00 / 2)

It means Clintonistas for Obama. That should tell you all you need to know. They are really trying hard to rally round the nominee. Some peel off occasionally, but that's OK. I see no reason to doubt their integrity. After all, they could have had an easier ride if they just followed Alegre. They didn't. They chose to stay.

Criticism of Obama is fine. He can take it so we can take it. I think ZCflint was off on his/her timing on the Bill Clinton thing, and that Linfar stepped over a line - but we should all remain on this site and debate those things.

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:59:45 AM EST
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This sort of thing (1.66 / 3)

is exactly why I heart you. You're our white knight, our knight in shining armor. See? You still get to ride that high horse.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:04:44 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (2.00 / 3)

Thank you and the name is great. I like your style and tone. What worries me about ANY group is they tend to support each other without judging each diary. Many had to give up there first choice who I love more and more. How many of the C40s came out against linfar's diary? I actually don't know. I have written three diaries on Hillary for VP and some were even reccomended but not by many C40's which I find strange if she was your first choice. But maybe there is a reason for that. (Bad Diary)

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:17:55 AM EST
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Most of us disagreed (publicly) (1.66 / 3)

with linfar's diary. We defended her against personal attacks, but very few defended her words. I consider linfar a friend and a passionate, intelligent woman, but we often disagree.

Some of the C4Os don't want Hillary to be VP, and I'm among them. I think she could accomplish more in the Senate. Part of me would be happy to have the "dream ticket" simply because it would give me an opportunity to see more of my former candidate, who I still adore and support (though in a different way now). But another (larger) part of me believes her talents would be better used in the Senate.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:24:52 AM EST
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Re: Most of us disagreed (publicly) (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for the explanation. You know I trust you.
(After you've had your coffee) P.S. I hope you are enjoying your new place.

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:10:34 AM EST
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Gracias, PS. (1.00 / 1)

It's true, I'm not at all trustworthy before my coffee. My father says I'm terrifying.

Loving the new place, thanks. My lovely kitties adore it as well. I value their opinions highly. ;)

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:14:05 AM EST
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Re: Gracias, PS. (2.00 / 1)

I'm very happy for you. Enjoy

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:19:05 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (2.00 / 1)

I'm not a C40 since I was an Obama supporter all along. In fact I had many run-ins with them.

There is some group loyalty, which can be disconcerting if you don't know the characters. I admire the valor with which several c40s defended Linfar, even though I think she was wrong. I even got in a scrapping match with a couple of them last week. But Sricki and CG stepped in to build bridges.

It's hard on them. Imagine if Obama had lost, and we all had to rally round Hillary, and then the polls tightened. Would every former Obama supporter resist the temptation to relive the primary wars in a tacit - I told you so.

No. But the onus is on us to build bridges, since Obama squeaked a win in the primaries. Generosity lies with the victor, not the vanquished

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:27:15 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (2.00 / 2)

I agree 100% and thank you. The best part of this diary was meeting you and Dumbo. Ok and CG and maybe Sricki after her coffee.

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:40:03 AM EST
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I'm much nicer after my coffee. ;) n/t (1.00 / 1)

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:41:34 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (2.00 / 2)

The diary wasn't deleted, purity troll.

You clearly don't visit our blog often or you choose to focus on the posts that confirm your bias.

Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain

by psychodrew on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 07:30:11 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (none / 0)

I don't think Dumbo quite understands what C40 is trying to do, and the bridges it's trying to build, but calling him a purity troll doesn't help his understand

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 07:45:56 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (2.00 / 3)

Based on some of the comments Dumbo has made over the past week or so, I'm not at all convinced that s/he has any desire to understand, but I'll keep an open mind.

No Way. No How. No McCain.

by Denny Crane on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 07:50:04 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (none / 0)

Read his/her second post above

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:08:47 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (none / 0)

Dumbo is wonderful and Passionate.

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:44:13 AM EST
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I'd try to explain my problem with C4O, (none / 0)

but all I would do is piss some people off even more. I don't doubt that some people, like Sricki, above, are sincere. And I am sure some of them established a sense of community during the campaign season that they are trying to preserve while still endorsing Obama, because even though Hillary lost, they believe it's the right thing to do.

But based on what has happened the last few days, I don't think that's how it is being used. Part of is diaries by people like Linfar and ZCFlint, both people that I have read diaries by in the past that I agreed with. Rather than exercising some group self-censorship, or working out their own doubts about Obama on C4O, we see some really sickening diaries being cross-posted here and (this is what gets me) being mass-recommended by their friends.

Meanwhile, some of us are trying to recommend up all the diaries that don't focus on how bad Obama is or how Hillary is such a martyr. We are recommending them up to try to push the other crap off the rec list.

It's getting hard to find diaries like that to rec. Then there are the meta-diaries by Geek and Reaper that I personally won't recommend because they focus (like this post I'm writing) on the hypocrisies and unfairness of the post-Hillary holdouts. And those meta-diaries spawn other meta-diaries accusing the complainers of not believing in free speech. The noise to signal ratio has become amazingly high.

Some good, benign diaries have been written by C4O users (and cross-posted from there, as well). I have recommended some of them.

by Dumbo on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:15:51 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (2.00 / 4)

I would encourage you to do some research about C4O, because it's clear to anyone who actually reads diaries and comments around here that you're completely wrong about C4O.

We don;t agree on everything, by any means, but we do all agree that Barack Obama is going to be the nominee, and that we all support him. That doesn't make him immune to the occasional criticism, and that was also true for Hillary in the primaries.

Speaking only for myself, I like Obama a hell of a lot more than I liked Kerry, but I'm a supporter, not a water carrier. I'll leave that to Ed Schultz. Your objections are noted for the record and over ruled.

No Way. No How. No McCain.

by Denny Crane on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 07:48:18 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (2.00 / 1)

Thank you for your comment. I don't beleive these
groups speak with one voice. Sricki for example has been amazing and she isn't the only one. Some have given up a lot to support our candidate. Others do not accept our candidate.

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:56:59 AM EST
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Re: PoliticalSlave... (none / 0)

Thanks again but I don't think it's over. In fact I think it's going to get better. I know it's been tough and we can't be losing our best writers. As long as groups don't take over then fine with me but if we start to notice that members of any group are trashing Senator Obama then we should at least look at it. I don't know who belongs to which group or who they really support. I don't even know what C40's means. Someone please let me know.

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:21:34 AM EST
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C4O = Clintonistas for Obama. n/t (1.50 / 2)

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:38:11 AM EST
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Re: PLEASE DON'T LEAVE (2.00 / 3)

I had posted a lot during the primary, but there are so few ways to have a real discussion here now, I sort of gave up. It seems all about finger-pointing, trollness, and even many serious, or at least heart-felt, comments get dismissed as improper, dismissive to the candidate or trolly. It's very hard to address anything seriously through the noise.

If you are, as I am, a Democrat with some concerns about the candidate but with a strong wish to see the Democrats in power, it is hard to write here because there are too many who either do not want to hear a single good word about him or a single bad word.

by mady on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:54:29 AM EST

Re: PLEASE DON'T LEAVE (2.00 / 2)

I hope you visit more often because Mydd is more personal for sure. But we all tend to get tired of fighting even the most passionate of us. We need more supporters and constructive debates about issues and our candidate.

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:04:25 AM EST
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We miss you here. n/t (1.50 / 2)

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:12:58 AM EST
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Re: PLEASE DON'T LEAVE (2.00 / 1)

Sorry folks I just got home. So I haven't had time to Thank or defend.

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:59:54 AM EST

since i vowed... (2.00 / 2)

never to respond to you or your diaries again politicalslave after you were stalking me for weeks on end calling me a troll. i have to comment in this diary.

you, in particular, are as much a part of the problem as anyone here. i hate to see good people go - but the histrionics need to stop. this site is not a soapbox for you and other 'purity trolls' to deem who is supporting obama enough or not. lets compare you for example to say - atdleft - the founder of c4o who in diary after diary he promotes and advocates for democrats (and not just obama) vs. politicalslave who is obsessed with all things obama including accusing me of NOT PROMOTING obama (not not criticizing - but darnit for not pushing for him hard enough!)

at the same time - the mydd system is broken of which many of us are anxiously awaiting the promised changes to the ratings system, etc.

sorry to be harsh here, but really - maybe YOU should really leave and the good ones like reaper and ms indie should stay.

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:33:08 AM EST
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Re: since i vowed... (2.00 / 2)

CG, please reconsider this. We used to have our run ins during the primary wars, but we found a consensus. Zcflint and I had a spat which you and Sricki kindly moderated. Let me try to moderate here.

Maybe politicalslave owes you an apology. Or vice versa. I don't know.

But I do know that you're BOTH great writers on this site, and active important democrats. I don't want either of you to leave. You're both right. And you're both wrong.

Debate and argument, reasoned or not, is the only way out of this impasse.

Silence is a kind of violence.

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:37:41 AM EST
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Re: since i vowed... (2.00 / 4)

thanks brit and i do respect your opinion. but debate what? clearly this guy is well - special.

the c4o - excluding myself have been an important voice in recent weeks in trying to advocate for obama, the whole democratic party and progressive issues.

some diaries are not particularly flattering to obama - but THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ADVERTISEMENT for him. i know i dont need to tell you this brit but some people here - including this diarist i suspect do not understand this.

instead all they do is call people trolls (some deservedly so) not contribute v. much in the way of commentary and/or not write diaries or diaries that only serve to 'promote' obama. not because of democratic partisanship or progressive values but because of obama only.

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:47:58 AM EST
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Re: since i vowed... (2.00 / 3)

I think it's just a question of perspective. If you look upthread, you'll see I've commended C4O for the hard and difficult things they've tried to do.

I do think reviving the whole Bill race baiting thing was a bit of a mistake, but some useful bridges were built.

It's not about being uncritical of Obama, it's just about solidarity when the Republicans attack. I can only guess how hard it was for Hillary supporters to come round, and I know you've done it in good faith.

Some Obama supporters don't trust C40. That's partly their fault, but also just a lingering bruise from the primary wars. Reconciliation takes as long as hostility to effect. We all fought for five months, it takes as long to repair those wounds.

But they can only be repaired if people like politicalslave stay and engage in dialogue. That's all I'm saying

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:53:23 AM EST
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Re: since i vowed... (2.00 / 1)

CG you sound so condescending. Lighten up you are better than this.

by Politicalslave on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:35:19 AM EST
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